We are all struggling during this pandemic, and Tom and Hardee are again finding that hobbies (both old and new) are crucial to keeping the mind and body occupied. But what is a hobby exactly? Does one need to immerse themselves fully in order to call it as such, or can it be something that we just casually do? Do we need every single tool of the trade to begin or can we start with nothing? And if your hobby is based around being outside, do you have alternatives for a rainy day?

In this episode, Tom tells us about some hobby-related apps he's been working on including Your Birding Story. Hardee laments a destroyed wood chipper and makes multiple references to the Japanese culture he knows and loves. "The Princess Bride" even makes a cameo.

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Hardee Merrit (aka Ninja) is the owner of Chapel Hill Quest Martial Arts. He has been studying To-Shin Do Ninjitsu for 21 years and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for 16 years. He is an avid outdoorsman. Many of his skills, teachings, and product reviews are shared on his website The Ninja Everyday.

Tom Ferguson (aka The Birdman) is a chef/entrepreneur who is currently the CEO of Rise. A workaholic who has faced many struggles in his life, he now finds solace in the practice of birdwatching and photography and hopes to share this experience with others. To connect with him and fellow birders check out Your Birding Story on Facebook.

Recorded and edited by Jon Gregory (aka Juan Huevos)
Music by Jon Gregory